Monday, January 17, 2005

discussion

Today in Earth Science we had a "forum" discussing issues of faith and science. It's easy to see how it could be frustrating to be involved in such conversations where just about every single other student is a traditional age freshman who hasn't really ever thought about these things before nor have they even begun any sort of training in how to think clearly (i.e. to be a philosophy major). The major difficulty with this is that it's hard to keep the discussion focused. That's the difference between someone who's capable of thinking clearly and someone who's not: keeping focused during a discussion and searching for a mutual understanding of the meanings of terms (or at least what are the possible meanings of those terms). Of course this is something which is difficult to do. Some people can do this naturally, they're the best people to talk to. I think I have maybe one or two friends who can actually do this. (I can't...i.e. i'm not a natural). But I think it's possible to develop it as a skill, but you have to do a lot of writing, thinking, and discussing. And it requires one to hold a lot of information in one's head at a given moment during a conversation. If one cannot do this then the discussion deteriorates into a mere wandering without any overall direction. This didn't happen today, fortunately. Unfortunately, I don't think it's because people in this class are clear thinkers, rather, the conversation didn't deteriorate because only a few people (out of like 30 students) were actually talking. These people don't seem to care too much. Maybe they do...i don't know. We'll it's almost 8:00pm here...time for 24.

2 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

[Posted by ted:]

I think I first really gave the idea of evolution a serious thought was in a first year bible class we had a discussion about it (If in a class of 80+ people 6 people talking can be called a discussion). All the people talking were in support of micro-evolution and acting really cosmopolitain that they beleived such radical things changed as species change as a group (i.e. people get taller).
ted | 01.18.05 - 9:37 am

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

[...actually, posted by ted:]

I begain to get really annoyed that in a giant class full of people in college no one was arguing the dominate theory of science. So thought what the hell and jumped in the "fray" as a full fledged men come from monkeys who come from fish Darwinain, even though I had argued passionately for 7 day literal creation asa high school senior a year ago. It was really depressing thier arguements just sounded like bleating sheep, and it was pretty clear they didn't understand what they were disagreeing with.
ted | 01.18.05 - 9:42 am | #

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It didn't help that in my freshman weeder Biology class was going over the same information. And it was so amazingly hand-holdy with talking in soft understang voices/language and little slipps of paper passed out so we can annonmysly ask questions. And they covered the 7 techniques for combining Christain faith and science.

And still there were future Doctors and dentists and science teachers saying "I don't knwo why were learing this STUFF, I thought this was a CHRISTAIN school!"
ted | 01.18.05 - 9:47 am | #

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I wished we'ed had a big name Evolutionust come and blast our faith to pieces, and really teach us the concepts.

The funny thing was that all our classes operated under the concepts of evolution, and the tacit agreement that evolution is true, our profs. weren't fooling themselves.

I've just read a really good book of essays by Jay Gould the Carl Sagan of evolution. It was really good and interesting, and filled in a lot of holes in my substandard evolution education.
ted | Email | 01.18.05 - 9:52 am |

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